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ISTJ. She/her (call me Em if you need to call me something). No instinctual variants questions. Please read the FAQ. Failure to comply will be met with question deletion and/or snarky answers.

Question:

Hey! I’ve know about MBTI for a while and had to take the test a couple times because it was pretty borderline (mostly on i/e and s/n) before it actually felt like me at ENFP- but recently I’m kind of scaring myself that I’m not as free spirited as I thought and I’m a lot more evidence-logic-opinion. I’m struggling to engage at all with devil’s advocate/alternative ideas that don’t have the same grounding in my understanding. Does this mean I’m imbalanced in functions? Or mistyped?

Answer:

Hi anon,

Based on what you’re saying here either I’m missing context or you have not read the FAQ but either way, my answer is below.

1. Tests are garbage and I advise against them. Sometimes they’re garbage because they make assumptions or fail to acknowledge that all people have both thinking and feeling functions, or that sensors know what a metaphor is, but often it’s not even that they’re bad so much that they require you answer objectively and honestly and turns out people really suck at that. So I recommend against them because making people type themselves by self-analysis at least forces people to do a little extra thinking about their thought process, vs. answering a bunch of “sounds like me/doesn’t sound like me questions” that are easy to half-ass.

2. I don’t really know what you mean by “struggling to engage at all with devil’s advocate/alternative ideas that don’t have the same grounding in my understanding”. Like do you mean you don’t like to play devil’s advocate? That you struggle with ideas you don’t already understand or are outside your expertise, which like, yeah, that’s because you don’t understand them or because they’re outside your expertise, the information must be processed. So feel free to clear up what you mean by that.

3. We’re all imbalanced in functions. My Si is way higher than my Ne and always will be no matter what because that’s what being an ISTJ is - I can live to a grand old age and develop complex and mature Ne but my Si will continue to outpace it because that’s my dominant function. So I also don’t know what you mean here.

I think what you may be trying to say is that you thought you might be an ENFP (thought it was based on a test so like, I wouldn’t trust that too much) and now think you might be an ENTP, but you don’t find that you fit Ti descriptions either, and so my answer is yeah, you might be mistyped, and in fact because you’ve relied primarily on tests that use dichotomy typing I think it’s quite likely. I can’t say for sure what’s going on or what type you might be because with the exception of the struggling to engage line that I don’t really understand, you don’t offer any insight into what you are actually like.

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Question:

okay, well what if someone prefers alone time over social interaction period? can they still be an extrovert cognitively?

Answer:

They can, but this is one of those cases where I’d recommend checking to be sure. It’s like my process for rare enneagram combos - it can happen, but the chances of a mistyping (especially if this is a feeler we’re talking about) are probably more likely, unless there’s also some confounding other information (eg: mental illness).

Or in other words, if this is in reference to the person who asked about being an ENFP and introvert, barring strong evidence presented to me in favor of both ENFP and introvert, I would want to rule out the following three options first before I would say “yes, you are an ENFP and a (non-MBTI) introvert”:

actually an INFP

not actually as introverted as they think

dealing with something that impacts how well they can handle spending time with others, such as social anxiety or depression (obviously I can’t rule this out on like, a medical level, but like, are there strong signs this might be a factor)

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do you think that ENFPs can be traditionally ambiverted/introverted? i’m an ENFP and i much prefer my own company to that of other people, and i love being alone. i act engaged in social interactions but whether i enjoy them or not really depends on my mood and whether i’m up for them or not. i just like living in my own head and i’m happy there, but i’m pretty sure i use Ne-Fi-Te-Si. can ENFPs be like this?

Answer:

Hi anon, I’m going to answer this question with another question:

Do you believe that the typical person’s enjoyment or lack of enjoyment of social interactions does not primarily depend on their mood and whether they’re up for them or not?

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Question:

i view david more as a subdued/more reserved esfp personally. his sensing seems dominant as it’s shown to be very strong, and his te really doesn’t seem inferior? an fi-te middle axis makes more sense than an se/ni middle axis, imo. especially seeing how you typed alexis as an esfp which would make her te higher than his, which doesn’t seem to fit the natures of the characters well. he definitely has fi and se though

Answer:

So the way I see it, David does have less Te than Alexis. He’s far less direct with people (Alexis can actually pull it together and tell people exactly what to do, whereas David tends towards passive-aggressiveness), and much of what he does at Rose Apothecary is guided first and foremost by Fi and Se - what is his personal aesthetic. Much of the Te involved in getting it to actually work day to day comes from Patrick. I don’t see him as able to go through the getting-things-done process independently in the same way as Alexis, who runs her PR work pretty much on her own. However, he does tend to have a clearer vision of his future than she does and is more decisive, some of which is probably from being a few years older but some I think comes from his higher Ni.

I also see Alexis’s Se as much higher than David’s. She’s much more adaptable (the whole Alexis Rose, International Woman of Mystery thing), she’s infinitely better in social situations, she moves on from things quicker, and her response to emotional setbacks is often to distract herself and have fun with other people, vs. David who tends to withdraw and brood. I think some of that could come from enneagram (7 vs. 4), but some strikes me as Se as a first response vs. Fi. Alexis’s attitude is often “this is new and I don’t know, maybe it could work” vs. David’s “this isn’t what I want.”

The few scenarios in which I think David shows more of what could be Te than Alexis are cases when they are together, when it’s something much more important to him, and when she has other things on her mind - in which case it’s him working on his own passion project and her being along for the ride.

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Question:

Why do you think Alexis is an ESFP and not an ESFJ? She seems more purely Fe-Ne to me rather than Se-dom honestly, and aux Fi/tert Te doesn’t really seem to fit her much. Not arguing, just trying to understand why you think ESFP over ESFJ

Answer:

Hi anon,

I posted my initial typing with why I saw her as a high Se user and why I didn’t think Fe fit, so if you are looking to understand why I typed her as an ESFP and not an ESFJ…it is in right there in the post where I typed her as an ESFP.

If anything I said was unclear, or if you can elaborate on why she seems like a high Fe user to you or why aux Fi and tert Te don’t fit so that I can understand where you’re coming from I can definitely respond to that, but as is I don’t know what needs to be added to my initial typing for clarification.

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Question:

does type have some influence on whether people like each other or not? would an entp probably not get along with an isfj for example? (since they are very different from each other )

Answer:

So on the one hand type has some influence over how people get along, but on the other hand it’s nowhere near the whole picture, and also, thanks to sharing all of their cognitive functions, just in a different order, an ISFJ and an ENTP are in some predictions likely to get along extremely well. I have a much easier time getting along with the xxFPs than the xxTPs usually because while Fi is one of my lower functions, I find actions motivated by Fi more understandable than those motivated by the Ti-Fe axis.

So shared functions are definitely a part; shared ‘letters’ for lack of a better term sometimes work (I have a harder time overall with FPs, but when I was younger and my Fi weaker I got along better with TPs since at least we approached things analytically instead of emotionally, and I still have a better time with the emotional levels of a healthy TP than some FPs). Similarly, I can usually find some commonality with the SPs.

It’s also situational. I get frustrated even with healthy TPs at work, but get along well with many of them in social situations.

And finally, health levels and communication are absolutely crucial - I would understand the process of an unhealthy, withdrawn ISTJ but I’d still have much more trouble with them than with, say, a healthy, honest ISFP.

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Question:

Hey, could you please type the Schitt’s Creek characters if you know the show?

Answer:

Congrats anon you have found one of the precious few shows I actually could type.

David is probably an ISFP 4- not bad with people when he puts in a little effort but generally introverted, excellent aesthetic sense, very focused on identity and uniqueness. ISFPs in their 30s I’ve known tend to be functional if not stellar when it comes to managing since they’re thoughtful and observant enough to handle it, but he relies a lot on…

Patrick, who I think is an especially laid back ESTJ (I can’t figure out his enneagram, unless he’s the rare ESTJ 9? Some IxTJ 9s have talked about their experience so like, maybe 9 and Te don’t clash quite as much as I’d thought). He excels in management and likes working with details and regulations, he’s organized, but he took a long time to figure out who he was and what he likes and he’s not really go-with-the-flow despite often being laid back. I also don’t ever type solely on a dry sense of humor, but if there’s a lot of other SJ qualities it’s certainly a factor.

Alexis: people tend to go straight to ESFP for party girls but I think it makes sense in a more complex way for Alexis. Her anecdotes indicate she is pretty flexible, spontaneous, and catches on to new skills quickly, like a high Se user; she seems a little too oblivious to certain social hints to quite be an Fe dom and she’s definitely an extrovert, but she’s a great PR person who can think on the fly. Her arc also fits nicely with someone starting to develop Te and Ni and figure out what she wants.

Stevie is like the exact archetype of an ISTP. She dresses like she’s in an ISTP aesthetic, and we see the downside that sometimes happens with aux Se users which is that someone can become sort of resigned and go with the flow without actually taking any control of it. She’s started to do that, but she’s a little bit scattered. She’s analytical, likes to do things as easily as possible and looks for loopholes, and she cares what people think of her but she’s both withdrawn and abrasive.

Johnny is kind of difficult and I think, despite the stereotypes, he might be an ESFJ and not an ESTJ. He seems to have built his success more on charisma and people skills rather a more classic business model and he sometimes takes a generally caring but one-size-fits-all approach (note Johnny vs. David in how they interact with Stevie - as David becomes close to her his interactions with her are very personalized, whereas Johnny is often a little off the mark, but with good intentions). Some of his plans are just for lack of a better way to put it missing the sort of structure I’d expect from a Te user, and not in a way that is in line with intuition (ie, it’s not a big-picture ENTJ needing help with details, it’s that the plan doesn’t really logically hold together).

Moira is also tough. Definitely intuitive - it’s all about what could be and her vision - and definitely a feeler. I think she’s more an ENFJ, in that of the family she’s been the one who has struggled the most to adjust and who’s clung to the vision of reviving her career and breaking out of the town. She doesn’t have the adaptability I’d expect from an ENFP.

I’m not sure about Ted - I like him, but he’s a little more heightened and quirky than many of the other main characters, and liking puns is not, as people sometimes argue, a defining characteristic of any type. He’s an emotionally honest guy but sometimes a little clueless, but also fairly responsible - I’m wondering if he’s like, a much more normal ENFJ? People with thoughts on Ted feel free to weigh in, I’d need to do some rewatching to get his type.

Jocelyn has the combination of patience and manic passive aggressive of an ISFJ surrounded by some very trying people. Roland is also sort of cartoonish and a little hard to type; I’m thinking he’s an ENTP dealing with a particularly bizarre logical system because like, his logic is often coherent but based off of absolutely nowhere premises and he has a lot of ideas he doesn’t really follow through on.

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Question:

Would you say there is a correlation between type and flakiness? Which types are more likely to be flaky?

Answer:

There is. On the whole, perceivers are more likely to be flaky than judgers and intuitives are more likely to be flaky than sensors.

As for why: high introverted perceiving (so being a judger) makes people like to stick with their existing plans. They tend to be planners in the first place and have systems to track said plans, and both FJs and TJs have their reasons in addition to that - TJs because they value reputation and competence and flakiness tends to ruin that image, and FJs because they don’t like their own plans being changed and so they often extend others the same courtesy.

Similarly, sensors tend to take real-world commitments more seriously and be more aware of them.

This is obviously an overall correlation, so just to stave off any comments along the lines of “but I’m an XXXX” and I’m very reliable” - you can be, and there are some very flaky judgers and sensors out there too. I have found when judgers are flaky it’s often due to low health and it especially comes up with - you guessed it - shitty introvert behaviors.

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Question:

you've said before its best to wait till your late teens/early 20s to type yourself mbti wise, do you have a similar reccomendation for enneagram? im an infp who related quite strongly to 4 in my teens but lately i dont at all and think i may be a 9. im wondering how much that desire of not being "one of the Normies"was just regular teenage stuff or related to enneagram

Answer:

I think it applies here too.

The reason I say “wait” is because in general your teens (and early 20s - just your adolescence in general) are really about figuring out who you are. I’ve gotten questions from like, 13 and 14 year olds talking about how much they’ve changed in 2 years and how they can’t type themselves and it’s like ‘yeah you were a literal elementary schooler 2 years ago, and you’re going to just keep having this revelation of how different you are from 2 years ago until you’re like, 23 if not older.’ It’s just hard to have the objectivity about yourself when your personality is still something you’re trying to figure out - and figuring yourself out is a life-long thing, but at least by your 20s you’ll have a bit of a pattern of behaviors going.

So it’s not so much a teen angst thing as a case of just having an extra few years to get to know yourself thing, and it might be that you just have realized your behaviors and motivations were actually more 9 all along, but that wasn’t as apparent to you when you were younger.

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Question:

Do you know what it is about low Ti that feels the need to constantly overthink everything? It can be quite annoying at times.

Answer:

I don’t, and I don’t think this is even linked to low Ti, or high Ti, or any function.

At this point the phrase “constantly overthink” has joined “always in my head” as static to me because people say it so much. And indeed, given how commonly it’s said my personal theory is that this has absolutely nothing to do with type and it’s just that people who get into MBTI, a system that is explicitly about the self-examination of your ongoing cognitive processes, already have a tendency to annoyingly overthink.

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Question:

1) Hey, i also would like to get typed by you. i'm not sure what kind of information you need for typing though, so if you cannot type me by this then i'd understand of course. i usually am reserved and quiet around people and it's very important for me to have at least a little time for myself every day, or else it would be hard for me to function. responsibilities and being with people exhausts me thats why i need some time to recover from that on a daily basis.

Answer:

2) i’m much less reserved when i’m around people i trust like my family or close friends but i still feel drained if i spent more than 5 hours with them without pause, even with them. compared to most people, i’d say i’m very sensitive and easily feel offended or hurt unfortunately. but thats why i also am very considerate towards other people and dont want them to feel as shitty aswell. i dont like hurting other people so i prefer avoiding any kind of conflict. i really do try to treat others           

3) the same way i would like to be treated. its the best thing you can do because it makes you feel good and other people too. i don’t like to work and i’m actually a lazy person (my room looks messy because of it) but when i know that something is important and i have to do it, then i suddenly am very hardworking - i’m like “if i have to do that shit, then at least with good results and success” and i like setting the biggest goals possible for me so that i can improve myself and i think its          

           4) its nice and important to try to reach as much as you are capable of in life, because that not only means a better life but also more interesting experiences along the way. i enjoy organizing things and making a to-do list for the next day in my mind. i rarely forget important things, no matter how detailed they are. i also got told that im very reliable by my teachers in school and now also by my boss and i also got told that im very patient in situations where they would lose it           

5) i also have negative characteristics of course, such as being waay too sensitive as i said and also dwelling on hurtful things that happened to me for centuries and im often shy and very self-conscious    

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Hi anon,

Before I start, for reference to future people reading this: if you have questions about what is useful for typing, I have tried to provide some guidance in the FAQ! I also recommend going through the answered ask tag (not in full, just a good skim) to get a feel for questions I’ve answered and what people asked, especially if you (like me) tend to do better with examples rather than description.

Based on this, I’m definitely going to type you as an introvert and a feeler; thinkers can absolutely be very sensitive but they tend to be less in tune with how sensitive they are. That said given the exceptionally high level of introversion and sensitivity discussed this is also at the point where I’d say that if it’s feasible for you to get checked for social anxiety, it certainly wouldn’t hurt - I am not diagnosing it and am totally unqualified to do so, but you’re ticking the boxes that make me say “ask a person who is qualified to do so”.

From your enjoyment of planning and organizing and being detail oriented, as well as your ‘do unto others as you’d like to be done to you’ I think you’re likely an ISFJ. Fe users tend to treat others as they’d themselves like to be treated, which often comes from a place of good intent, but does make some typical extroverted-judging assumptions, and your reliability and sense of duty both fit high Si. It’s possible that you’re an ISFJ 9, which would contribute to some of the perceived laziness when it comes to your own space as well as the avoidance of conflict, but it’s not certain.

I also in this case recommend reading up on Gretchen Rubin’s four tendencies, which I like as a shorthand to understanding why people meet certain goals and not others. Basically, it’s the four options for whether a person meets external expectations (job or school assignments, familial obligations) and whether they meet internal ones (personal growth goals). It’s quite common to have someone who lets their own internal obligations, like cleaning their room or committing to self care, slide, but who stays on top of external obligations out of a sense of not wanting to let others down.

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Doing a bunch of boards studying and cooking this afternoon, short questions for breaks appreciated!

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Question:

[1] Hello, contradictory anon here. Sorry for the wait. After talking with my friend she came up with a perfect example (notice that no, I did not come up with this at all and instead wrote you a looong text that was NotClear) Basically if we were reading a metaphor I would understand it, but I wouldn't be able to explain it to you. Quick internally, but slow externally. My ideas are not linear but small pieces of an everything... sparced everywhere.

Answer:

           As for the other two contradictions uhh I don’t see them?  - I don’t understand the emotional consequences of my actions, I do get the physical/material ones.  - I do go along with others, but I don’t usually search for them so I’m most of the time alone but not imposing to anyone.  - I am quiet and calm, doesn’t mean I think things through just that I remain calm.  - I choose my career impulsively, I tend to buy things impulsively, start personal projects impulsive and do everything last moment

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Hi anon,

I still don’t feel like I can type the perceiving axis from this.

Most people can understand metaphors, and it’s kind of weird that you couldn’t explain it if you understand it - like, I think that would most likely just mean that you need to improve your communication skills as you have difficulty conveying your ideas.

The nonlinear thinking and the fact that you have difficulty understanding the emotional consequences of your actions makes me think you have a higher extroverted perceiving function, which would make Ti your highest judging function (and mean your Fe was low).

My question about the second contradiction wasn’t about calm, but about patience. I think it’s possible to be calm and impulsive, but being patient and impulsive doesn’t make sense. But given the statement about calm and impulsiveness a high Ti type continues to make sense for you, and I don’t think pursuing that part further would give me any insight on whether you use Ne or Se.

Unfortunately, given that being able to clearly explain your thought process is pretty crucial to getting a typing over the internet, I’m not sure I’ll be able to figure out your perceiving axis even with further discussion, but hopeful the high Ti typing gives you a starting point. I’ve written some guides on Se vs. Ne in the FAQ that you can reference, and the resource pages might also be good to check (eilamona is an INTP so it might be helpful for you to make some comparisons to how she writes and thinks and see if that fits with your process, for example).

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Question:

what site did you use for your mbti? I don't trust most of the sites used like 16personality, but based on a site that use cognitive functions to find your mbti I am an ENFJ, but I don't know, anyway, how did you type yourself? p.s. sorry for my english, I'm not a native speaker/writer

Answer:

istj-hedonist:

i don’t remember but it was probably any awful/not-recommendable one.
like:

test site: “are you boring and dumb?”

me: “fuck yes”

test site: “congratz you’re a sensor”

and it turned out they were right but it was more due to me being cynical than to them having a good test system.

the best test is having a self-aware brain. and that’s the biggest problem. you could have the most perfectly developed test site and 80% of people would still mistype because they have no realistic perception of their flaws and qualities.

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Question:

[1] Hey, Em I would like to get typed by you. I think I am a 6w5. I'm a very calm person, I don't need a lot of thrill in my life and I would consider myself very patient and quiet. I can be a very slow thinker in the sense that I like to take my time to consider thing carefully to be sure everything will be under control, truth is that being in control and aware of what is happening is what I usually search for if what we are doing has the slightest interest for me.

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           [2]  If others take control I tend to become lazy and slacky, only doing the bare minimum. That doesn’t mean I can’t follow, I can and tend to if from the start someone else took control or if I asked for help. I’m not scare of asking for help, and I really appreciate it when I can rely on people.  I can be very impulsive, and end up making things difficult for others. I don’t wish to cause them any problem, but I really can’t seem to know the consequences my actions can have for others.            

[3]  I have a quick mind but tend to think vaguely. It takes a lot of effort to unroll in a coherent way what I think. I might store information vaguely  (or perhaps like tokens) so I can form an idea and then in the real word with trusted resources develop that idea. I will see something I go “oh, that sounds familiar” and I actually know how the object connects to the image that comes to mind and it tends to be a complex conection but is not fully translated into objective terms yet.            

[4]  So when it comes to planing yes I’m slow because I try to put things in specific and tangible terms. When is just understanding and making connections I’m quick, but slow to put in words those thoughts.   Morally, I started listening to myself after reading so much about what others thought was okay or not. I try to be nice and approachable, searching for the options that will be better for everyone, but I don’t have a strong moral compass, just a wish to be liked and be safe.            

[5]  I have an overall life plan where I know I’m safe, but I don’t think of the details and just go with the flow.  I’m very physical, I’m always searching for beauty and comfort. I’m into photography, drawing and fashion. I tend to navigate those intuitively but care a lot about the rules I do know (mostly composition rules).  I have been told I’m very expressive with my face, and that my movements are very ditzy/wavy/unpredictable, like I balance and throw myself at things.             

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Hi anon,

There are a couple contradictions here, and I’m also guessing English is not your first language (this is very good but there’s a few things where the phrasing is a little difficult for me to understand) so I’m not really sure of a typing. In particular, you talk about being both a slow thinker and having a quick mind and I would see those as not going together. You also say that you consider yourself very patient and quiet and going along with others much of the time, but also that you’re impulsive and don’t understand the consequences your actions would have on others.

If I had to take a guess, you sound much more like a Ti-Fe user given your enjoyment of reliance on others and you’re more interested in being liked than standing up for specific causes, but I couldn’t even say which of Ti or Fe is higher or what your perceiving functions might be.

If I’m misinterpreting what you said, especially regarding the contradictions I mentioned, please let me know; if you have some specific examples of these behaviors that would be extremely helpful and I’d be happy to try to provide a more detailed typing.

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Question:

when someone asks me a question online/as a message or when I'm completing a piece of work I tend to just open up the application and start typing not really considering how it sounds as I go along. After I'm done and I read back what I've written and it's coherent + makes sense and sometimes I'm quite surprised with how well put together my writing sounds. I always have an idea about where (1)

Answer:

my thought process will end up, like I know the end result I’d like to get across whether it’s a story or answer to a question or even an opinion. I know exactly what I’d like to get across but I don’t place too much value on what I’m writing when in the moment. And I’m quite surprised when those close to me think my writing style is clear/professional because I just see it as me rambling and setting off a stream of consciousness. What function is most likely to be related to this (if any) ? (2)             

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Hi anon,

I’m trying to figure out if you’re saying “I typically write in a stream-of-consciousness manner, and when it turns out to be seen as clear and professional it is a surprise to me,” or “I typically write in a stream-of-consciousness manner, and it nearly always turns out to be clear and professional” and the irony of that is very much not lost here.

Regardless of your meaning, the ability to write clearly, however you go about it, is a skill and not something I would attribute to any type.

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Question:

Hey! Type me from earlier today here. Te Dom mostly makes sense- I do want to impress that my conflict avoidance and tendency to lose arguments because of taking full responsibility instinctually is a very prevalent and actively problematic issue for me. Not to say I don’t think I’m a Te Dom, but I had thought of Te as better at fighting (in a good way) Is there something I’m missing?

Answer:

It’s possible you’re a Te-aux, but you really don’t sound at all like a feeler. There are Te-aux 9s, so that’s an option, but at least from your original question it didn’t sound so much like avoiding conflict for its own sake, but rather you have trouble differentiating when something is worthy of conflict (indicating the area that needs working on is a better understanding of other people’s motives), and then taking the responsibility still in a way gives you control over the argument (and fits with high Si).

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Question:

That voice in head vs no voice in head thing that’s going around- think there’s an mbti association?

Answer:

no idea, tbh. I like neuroscience as a hobby and an area of interest but I haven’t kept up with it and the study of consciousness specifically has really caught on fairly recently. As a result I don’t like to assign types, which are purely observational pseudoscience, into actual areas of real neuroscientific inquiry, because I know that I don’t know enough to do so reliably.

Also, just logically (and as this article discusses a little) the inner monologue is really dependent on other factors such as our access to language and the situation at hand. If you asked me to think of directions to a place I’d been to, for example, I’d probably think in pictures and not words, but in other situations I do have an inner monologue.

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Question:

Hello! I’m eighteen years old and looking to find my type. I’m a self-motivated workaholic guy in an “okay my homework is finished by Wednesday so I can do the stuff I actually like the rest of the week” way. I kinda assumed I had perfect work habits for a long time, but after having to reflect on that after some rejections of colleges a full 1.0 below my gpa and 7 points below my ACT, I’ve noticed some consistent problems. (1/6)

Answer:

My MO is to look for expectations to match. I was in a class once where a very successful professor was lowkey shitting on my aspirations, but instead of taking it too personally, I just looked for stated expectations that other people in the class weren’t hitting so I could succeed in the class and ask for a recommendation. I’ve realized though that I have a deeply shallow understanding of many topics I have a great grade in because of this. (2/6)        

           I always have a ton of passion projects, and my impatience to get through normal responsibilities to work on those has made me very singular. I’m comfortable with this, but I don’t have an answer for “what else do you do?” Even with my passions, I’ve had to work through impatience to get to the next one. It was difficult for me to follow through on checking my work. It used to be that every time I saw a flaw in my own stuff, I’d dump the project and start a newer and flashier one. (3/6)                

           A big emotional conflict for me is that I expect the best for myself but I hate the natural tendency to think of myself as special. I’m constantly telling myself “you’re not entitled to anything. This didn’t happen because x, y, or z or x, y, and z. It’s not unfair.” I have a lot of trouble expressing myself or getting into conflicts because I have trouble differentiating between self-indulgence and selfishness and normal human behavior until I think through it after the fact. (4/6)            

In terms of weaknesses other people recognize, I often isolate and cut extra effort off and later find out that friends were offended that I didn’t ask about some part of their lives or scold me for not reaching out to someone. My most immature gut reaction to this is “but I would prefer everyone check on me LESS, so why are you even annoyed.” But in conflicts my reaction is to take full responsibility, which is good for self-awareness but I don’t think I’ve won a fight in like two years. (5/6)            

           Finally, I like managing my life free from outside influence. My parents have been very gracious in treating me like a full adult since I was sixteen and so I have control over my eating habits, my schedule, my workload, etc. I’ve made it very clear that autonomy is one value I’ll fight over, but again, that’s not an issue with most people. Everyone hates infantilization, but I will straight up not work with someone again if they treat me like a child. (6/6)        

           PS, thank you very much! I think your blog is awesome and has actually encouraged me in my real non-typology life to look at things with more of an eye for actual data. Reading your stuff consistently has actually made me a better thinker! (7/6)       

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Hi anon,

Glad you’re enjoying the blog! I’m not positive but I’m fairly sure about Te-dom, and more likely ESTJ than ENTJ. Here’s my reasoning, let me know if I’m misinterpreting here.

Workaholism isn’t strictly high Te users but it’s definitely most common among them of the types; the faith placed in expectations and figures (in class, in college admissions), the impatience, the deliberate focus on battling entitlement, and the desire for independence also all fit this. Note (more to other readers than to you necessarily)- some of these traits - in fact several - also fit high Ti, and it’s the combination of all of them together that’s leading me to say high Te, not any individual one.

The way you describe your reaction to your friends’ responses is what cemented high Te, because that’s an incredibly typical low Fi response, especially at your age: to initially say “but I was treating them the way I would want to be treated!” I also think high Te users as a rule want to be checked on less and tend to act accordingly.

The reason I lean towards ESTJ is a little less concrete and more of a general sense, but in particular the way you approach side projects sounds a lot like low Ne - SJs tend to have good follow-through on major obligations, especially obligations to others, but their own passion projects tend to be a little scattered and often unfinished. The tendency to take responsibility is also possibly attributable to Te, but certainly sounds like high Si as is again the trust placed in observing and determining expectations.

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ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is:

okay can someone explain the mbti to kpop and/or kpop to mbti pipeline? Like I just came to terms with the fact that personality theory is weirdly popular in evangelical christianity, which explains a whole fucking lot, and I know enneagram is very popular in many cultures but I am completely lost as to why most of my new followers are kpop blogs, especially since the MBTI community at large on Tumblr is very inactive. Like did a kpop star talk about MBTI or something?

also kpop followers: happy to have you here, and feel free to ask questions about MBTI or enneagram in general, but I do not know who any kpop musicians are beyond having heard one or two of the big names (and in those cases literally all I know is ‘this is a popular kpop band); I’m glad this genre makes you happy but I can’t provide any typing.

Thanks everyone who answered my question! It sounds like a few kpop bands did an MBTI test and the fanbase (understandably) became interested.

Anyway the above still holds - I’m happy to answer your questions about MBTI but I don’t know any of the musicians and cannot type them.

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